Showing posts with label investment. Show all posts
Showing posts with label investment. Show all posts

'Derived' comments on investing

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Investing is more about character than talent.

Someone said this and raised the hopes of thousands of people with two digit IQs to dream of big buck. Clearly the statement above does not imply that having low IQ has any particular advantage. However, it also implies that off the chart IQ is not the only thing that determines your long term success. Your character has a part of play and albeit an important one.

The whole bust that happened was like thousands of extremely smart MBAs playing poker with blind bets. And with complex derivatives, the structure of second (and nth) order products became so complex and tiered that the blindfold just kept on getting thicker and thicker. In such a blind situation, IQ counted for nothing other than being able to comprehend those products that lesser mortals like me have trouble making any sense of. Well, enough of pointing follies of the super smart bunch [don’t we all just love that ;-)], as that is not the point here.

Most of us judge the stocks the way we judge people or vice-versa. Traders are like people who have short term memory and can only remember the last encounter with a person, good or bad. They keep marking people up or down fast, going long (becoming friends) or short (making enemies) fickle-mindedly. Even with this approach sometimes such people end up winners for the simple reason that they get lucky. And that is the problem; there is just too much riding on luck for them.


Value investors on the other hand are like people who can separate behaviors from people. They look at people as potential and gauge if they would be able to take care of their negative behaviors in time. More often than not, they are placing their bets on a stabilized viewpoint. The difference between the traders and investors is about time frame and context. Traders have no allegiances other than their immediate gains (friends for benefit); investors forge ties with worthy stocks.

Time has a way of leveling things out and sooner or later, having a sound character pays off in investing and otherwise.

Disclaimer: Most or all of what is said above is my interpretation of stuff that I have read on investment. Follow it at your own risk. Claiming that my investment track record is horrible would be a gross understatement; so much so that I am the benchmark of lousy investing in my circle. In the pink of my short investing career, I have seen an unrealized gain of 20% and from then on it has been a journey downhill with my losses snowballing.

Also, contrary to what I wrote above seemingly making investing superior to trading, I think the times now are for trading. Book your profits and enter a position again if needed. Swings are giving ample opportunities to enter markets at any levels.

A Swing trader's market?

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Heisenberg, Murti and Oil

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The more precisely the position is determined, the less precisely the momentum is known in this instant, and vice versa.
--Heisenberg, uncertainty paper, 1927

To paraphrase this statement, the current state and movement of something cannot be determined precisely and more precise the tool of observation (read high frequency radiation), the greater would be its impact on the particle's current position/momentum thereby changing it.

Mapping this to predictions; Predictions (can) impact what they predict.

http://seekingalpha.com/article/80514-oil-will-peak-at-150-200-barron-s-interview?source=feed

Goldman Sachs analyst Arjun Murti predicts that oil will trade at 200$ in a year or two time frame. Having successfully predicted the oil spike that took it beyond $100 from a meager 40 a year before, Mr Murti is no longer a regular guy but carries a lot of weight.

Since its him, would market take heed to what he is saying and react to it thereby creating a self serving cycle of spikes and super spikes making his predictions come true.

Or on the contrary, would it make the consumers wiser since they can sense further strengthening of prices and hence start cutting their demands, and in the process making the prediction wrong?

While there are can be several possible reactions to Mr Murti's statements which are as difficult to predict as the oil price, I wonder if he should start taking into account the effect of his predictions while coming up with them. Or who knows, being the smart cookie he is, he may already be doing it!

Buffett, Compounding and The Rule of 72

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"The most powerful force in the universe is compound interest"

This is allegedly a statement made by Albert Einstein. Many people argue if those were the exact words, but almost all agree that he said something to that effect. However, there shouldn't be an iota of doubt in anyone's mind about the truth in what is being said.

Warren Buffett and Peter Lynch, two legendary money makers, who made tons of money without making stuff, but by making deals/decisions; both of them have emphasized the power of compounding in their businesses and are reaping the benefits. It would be way too naive to say that compounding was the biggest reason of their success; however, it would be fair to say it had a crucial role to play.

Buffett owned his first stock at the age of 11, but says,
"I don't know why I wasted time before that stock…I got started late."

For quite some time I used to think this statement as plain rhetoric, but now having read a book about his investment philosophy I realise how serious he was and I have no doubt in my mind that he truly believed what he said.

Investing is a complex thing, and it involves among lot other things, the risk of losing your capital. But there are many investment vehicles (like PPF) that are safe and most of us invest in them, but generally that happens after gaining some financial wisdom but losing a considerable amount of time in the process. For all of us, all we had [have to, if you are still young :-)] to do was [is] invest early and forget.

To give an idea, 1 Lac invested at a rate of 12% for 30 years will become approximately 30 lacs. If you are lucky and could earn a 20%, that would be 2.4 crores!

If you think these numbers are high, think again. Historically, Sensex has returned more than 18% to date.

Here is a sheet that shows the results of compounding a sum of money at a certain rate for certain years. Have a look and you will realize that over a long period, how money transforms itself. The sheet contains three tabs:
1. SIP - calculations for a systematic investment plan (for fixed rate of interest)
2. Summary Amounts - compounded amounts for a principal, rate of interest, duration.
3. Summary of growth - growth of money as a factor of the principal amount.

The intensity of Buffett's love for compounding can only be matched by his hate for taxes. He considers tax to be one of the biggest holes in your pocket. Not surprisingly, he tries every trick in the book to save tax. There was a news story about him paying less tax than his secretary (in terms of %). He was taxed at 17% while his secretary paid @ 30%. http://business.timesonline.co.uk/tol/business/money/tax/article1996735.ece

He considers the money lost in tax to be a double loss because not only you lose some of your earnings, you lose the amount you could have made using it. If a company is doing well, he would prefer the company to not pay a dividend and keep growing.

Before I close this post, here is a 'nifty' tip for your compound interest calculations.

The Rule 0f 72:
The number of years you need to double your money = 72/ (rate of interest in %). For mathematically inclined, here is how/why it works. http://www.moneychimp.com/features/rule72_why.htm

Link to the excel sheet for compound interest and SIP calculations